Verfasst: 05.09.2016, 19:33
Hallo Jochen,
Ich habe mal DR-Werte verglichen, anhand von Stockfisch Aufnahmen, die vom Vinyl abgenommen wurden (Stereoplay Vinyl Classics 1+2)
Chris Jones No Sanctuary Here Stereoplay Vinyl Classics2 DR12
dagegen verglichen die CD-Ausgaben:
Stockfisch Chris Jones Original-CD DR8
Stereoplay CD "Der perfekte Klang" DR9
Stockfisch Records Art of Recording (2009) DR8
Und:
The Bassface Swing Trio Our Love Is Here To Stay Stereoplay Vinyl Classics1 DR15
Stockfisch Original-CD: DR11
Wie man sehen kann, sind die CD-Ausgaben erheblich stärker komprimiert.
Welche Schlussfolgerungen man daraus wohl ziehen darf?
Vermeidet man - wie kürzlich bei The Beatles - das ausgeprägte Komprimieren beim Vinylmastering, und komprimiert nur die digitale Ausgabe?
Grüße Hans-Martin
Nachfolgend einige Auszüge aus meinen Stockfisch CDs, Extreme farbig hervorgehoben:
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Analyzed: Stockfisch AudioPhile Recordings Vol1
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR8 -0.50 dB -11.41 dB 4:31 ?-01 Allan Taylor_Colour To The Moon
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.70 dB 4:24 ?-01 Steve Strauss_Argyle Bridge
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.47 dB 2:44 ?-02 Allan Taylor_A House By The River
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.95 dB 5:49 ?-02 David Munyon_Guitar Road
DR6 -0.50 dB -8.95 dB 5:08 ?-03 Cris Jones_Would Not Have It Any Other Way
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.96 dB 4:13 ?-03 Steve Strauss_Jennie Mae
DR10 -0.50 dB -12.95 dB 3:33 ?-04 ChristianWillisohn_Hold On Im Waiting For You
DR9 -0.50 dB -10.76 dB 3:14 ?-04 Werner Lämmerhirt_Kirmes
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.63 dB 3:19 ?-05 Alan Taylor_Cold Hard Town
DR12 -0.50 dB -14.59 dB 3:25 ?-05 ChristianWillisohn_Lestats Lamento
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.90 dB 5:21 ?-06 David Munyon_N.Y.C.
DR12 -4.05 dB -19.44 dB 4:15 ?-06 Naoki Kitaya_L Couperin_Tombeau de Mr de Blancrocher
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.45 dB 4:20 ?-07 Duo Balance_Morning Of My Life
DR8 -0.50 dB -12.58 dB 2:23 ?-07 Kurpfälzisches Kammerorchester Mannheim_D.Schostakowitsch Allegretto für Streichquartett
DR9 -1.00 dB -12.65 dB 6:05 ?-Christian Willisohn , Caruso
DR8 -1.10 dB -10.92 dB 3:47 ?-Eugene Ruffolo , The Same Kind Words
DR8 -1.10 dB -11.50 dB 3:42 ?-Ewen Carruthers , When Time Turns Around
DR9 -1.00 dB -11.90 dB 4:48 ?-Louis Capart & Duo Balance , Au large du Gueveur
DR11 -0.50 dB -14.36 dB 4:34 ?-The Bassface Swing Trio , Embraceable You
Official DR value: DR9
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Analyzed: Stockfisch The Bassface Swing Trio Plays Gershwin
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR11 -0.50 dB -15.09 dB 8:50 ?-01Oh, Lady Be Good
DR13 -4.54 dB -21.31 dB 4:47 ?-02Embraceable You
DR12 -0.50 dB -14.94 dB 3:47 ?-03Strike Up The Band
DR11 -0.50 dB -14.22 dB 7:15 ?-04Our Love Is Here To Stay
DR15 -1.43 dB -21.85 dB 7:05 ?-05The Man I Love
DR11 -0.50 dB -13.45 dB 5:18 ?-06I Got Rhythm
Official DR value: DR12
Analyzed: Stockfisch Eugene Ruffalo In A Different Light
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -0.50 dB -11.09 dB 3:33 ?-01Love Can Be That Way
DR8 -0.50 dB -11.11 dB 3:23 ?-02Fool For Every Season
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.16 dB 3:38 ?-03 Irreplaceable
DR11 -2.80 dB -17.95 dB 1:42 ?-04Elmo´s Song
DR9 -0.70 dB -11.53 dB 2:48 ?-05Run To You
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.87 dB 3:37 ?-06The Right Thing
DR9 -0.50 dB -10.89 dB 2:59 ?-07 Poor Lonesome Me
DR10 -0.50 dB -12.95 dB 4:27 ?-08One More Mystery
DR7 -1.50 dB -10.81 dB 4:08 ?-09The Hills Of Sicily
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.88 dB 3:44 ?-10The Same Kind Words
DR9 -0.70 dB -11.82 dB 4:15 ?-11For A Look At You
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.65 dB 4:28 ?-12 No Common Future
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.39 dB 3:50 ?-13When We Were Kings
DR8 -0.70 dB -10.62 dB 3:46 ?-14 Beyond Love
Official DR value: DR9
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Analyzed: Closer To The Music
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -1.55 dB -13.08 dB 6:56 ?-01 Allan Taylor The Beat Hotel
DR9 -1.93 dB -12.51 dB 3:49 ?-02 Allan Taylor Wheel Of Fortune
DR8 -1.53 dB -12.04 dB 4:25 ?-03 Sara K. Turned My Upside Down
DR6 -2.88 dB -11.35 dB 3:34 ?-04 Sara K. The Painter
DR9 -1.56 dB -13.27 dB 3:39 ?-05 Sara K. & Chris Jones Stop Those Bells - Live
DR8 -1.31 dB -11.34 dB 3:56 ?-06 Chris Jones Set 'em Up, Joe
DR8 -1.02 dB -11.00 dB 3:46 ?-07 Chris Jones No Sanctuary Here
DR8 -1.42 dB -11.45 dB 4:21 ?-08 Mike Silver Not A Matter Of Pride
DR7 -1.26 dB -10.46 dB 4:51 ?-09 Mike Silver Angel In Deep Shadow
DR11 -1.12 dB -13.78 dB 3:46 ?-10 Steve Strauss Mr. Bones
DR9 -1.03 dB -12.20 dB 4:25 ?-11 Steve Strauss Argyle Bridge
DR9 -1.70 dB -12.78 dB 5:16 ?-12 David Munyon Words of Love
DR8 -1.28 dB -11.76 dB 4:40 ?-13 David Munyon Save The Whales In Placerville And Hickstone
DR9 -1.86 dB -12.85 dB 3:43 ?-14 Paul Stephenson Captain Of The Loving Kind
DR9 -1.65 dB -12.24 dB 5:01 ?-15 Paul Stephenson Moon In The Glass
DR10 -0.86 dB -13.22 dB 4:01 ?-16 David Roth Pearl Diver
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.48 dB 5:18 ?-Au Large Du Gueveur
DR9 -0.50 dB -12.15 dB 6:04 ?-Caruso
DR9 -1.20 dB -12.11 dB 4:38 ?-Four Wild Horses
DR7 -1.00 dB -9.28 dB 4:41 ?-Heaven
DR10 -0.56 dB -12.94 dB 4:48 ?-Just Like Love
DR9 -1.20 dB -11.31 dB 4:22 ?-Lookin' At The Train
DR7 -1.00 dB -9.97 dB 4:14 ?-Maybe It's Just Love
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.79 dB 5:33 ?-Old Crow
DR9 -0.60 dB -11.52 dB 3:28 ?-Paris
DR8 -1.00 dB -11.18 dB 5:37 ?-Set You Free
DR8 -1.00 dB -10.67 dB 3:15 ?-Songs For You Far Aaway
DR8 -1.50 dB -11.23 dB 4:12 ?-Stars
DR7 -1.00 dB -10.81 dB 4:27 ?-Streets of London
DR7 -1.00 dB -10.12 dB 3:48 ?-The Same Kind Words
DR8 -0.60 dB -10.97 dB 4:47 ?-When Time Turns Around
Official DR value: DR8
Stockfish Records - Art of Recording (2009)
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Analyzed: Allan Taylor-The Tennessee Waltz / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (1)
Bass Swing Trio& Barbara Bukle-Easy to love / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (2)
Blue chamber quartet-Children's song 12&16 / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (3)
Chris Jones-No sanctuary Here / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (4)
David Roth-Where have all the flowers gone / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (5)
Eugene Ruffolo-Beyond love / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (6)
Ewen Carruthers-The amber room / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (7)
Gergely Boganyi-Chopin-Nocturne ES-DUR OP9 Nr2 / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (8)
L Capart&D Balance-Au large du Gueveur / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (9)
Sara K-I can't stand the rain / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (10)
Steve Strauss-Closer / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (11)
The paperboys-Comfort and kind / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (12)
The spririt of Gambo-Tweede stuck voor de fiool de Gamba / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (13)
The Tiptons-Gypsy Wedding / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (14)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR8 -1.80 dB -12.64 dB 4:23 02-
DR9 -0.50 dB -12.19 dB 3:58 08-
DR7 -0.50 dB -10.79 dB 3:42 13-
DR8 -0.51 dB -9.92 dB 3:45 09-
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.94 dB 5:17 01-
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.09 dB 3:45 10-
DR8 -1.20 dB -10.62 dB 5:00 11-
DR12 -0.50 dB -17.71 dB 4:47 14-
DR8 -1.70 dB -11.81 dB 5:16 06-
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.47 dB 3:35 03-
DR10 -0.50 dB -12.04 dB 4:12 04-
DR8 -0.50 dB -11.78 dB 3:20 07-
DR8 -1.70 dB -11.95 dB 2:51 12-
DR10 -0.50 dB -11.49 dB 2:50 05-
Official DR value: DR9
Ich habe mal DR-Werte verglichen, anhand von Stockfisch Aufnahmen, die vom Vinyl abgenommen wurden (Stereoplay Vinyl Classics 1+2)
Chris Jones No Sanctuary Here Stereoplay Vinyl Classics2 DR12
dagegen verglichen die CD-Ausgaben:
Stockfisch Chris Jones Original-CD DR8
Stereoplay CD "Der perfekte Klang" DR9
Stockfisch Records Art of Recording (2009) DR8
Und:
The Bassface Swing Trio Our Love Is Here To Stay Stereoplay Vinyl Classics1 DR15
Stockfisch Original-CD: DR11
Wie man sehen kann, sind die CD-Ausgaben erheblich stärker komprimiert.
Welche Schlussfolgerungen man daraus wohl ziehen darf?
Vermeidet man - wie kürzlich bei The Beatles - das ausgeprägte Komprimieren beim Vinylmastering, und komprimiert nur die digitale Ausgabe?
Grüße Hans-Martin
Nachfolgend einige Auszüge aus meinen Stockfisch CDs, Extreme farbig hervorgehoben:
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Analyzed: Stockfisch AudioPhile Recordings Vol1
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR8 -0.50 dB -11.41 dB 4:31 ?-01 Allan Taylor_Colour To The Moon
DR7 -0.50 dB -9.70 dB 4:24 ?-01 Steve Strauss_Argyle Bridge
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.47 dB 2:44 ?-02 Allan Taylor_A House By The River
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.95 dB 5:49 ?-02 David Munyon_Guitar Road
DR6 -0.50 dB -8.95 dB 5:08 ?-03 Cris Jones_Would Not Have It Any Other Way
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.96 dB 4:13 ?-03 Steve Strauss_Jennie Mae
DR10 -0.50 dB -12.95 dB 3:33 ?-04 ChristianWillisohn_Hold On Im Waiting For You
DR9 -0.50 dB -10.76 dB 3:14 ?-04 Werner Lämmerhirt_Kirmes
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.63 dB 3:19 ?-05 Alan Taylor_Cold Hard Town
DR12 -0.50 dB -14.59 dB 3:25 ?-05 ChristianWillisohn_Lestats Lamento
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.90 dB 5:21 ?-06 David Munyon_N.Y.C.
DR12 -4.05 dB -19.44 dB 4:15 ?-06 Naoki Kitaya_L Couperin_Tombeau de Mr de Blancrocher
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.45 dB 4:20 ?-07 Duo Balance_Morning Of My Life
DR8 -0.50 dB -12.58 dB 2:23 ?-07 Kurpfälzisches Kammerorchester Mannheim_D.Schostakowitsch Allegretto für Streichquartett
DR9 -1.00 dB -12.65 dB 6:05 ?-Christian Willisohn , Caruso
DR8 -1.10 dB -10.92 dB 3:47 ?-Eugene Ruffolo , The Same Kind Words
DR8 -1.10 dB -11.50 dB 3:42 ?-Ewen Carruthers , When Time Turns Around
DR9 -1.00 dB -11.90 dB 4:48 ?-Louis Capart & Duo Balance , Au large du Gueveur
DR11 -0.50 dB -14.36 dB 4:34 ?-The Bassface Swing Trio , Embraceable You
Official DR value: DR9
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Analyzed: Stockfisch The Bassface Swing Trio Plays Gershwin
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR11 -0.50 dB -15.09 dB 8:50 ?-01Oh, Lady Be Good
DR13 -4.54 dB -21.31 dB 4:47 ?-02Embraceable You
DR12 -0.50 dB -14.94 dB 3:47 ?-03Strike Up The Band
DR11 -0.50 dB -14.22 dB 7:15 ?-04Our Love Is Here To Stay
DR15 -1.43 dB -21.85 dB 7:05 ?-05The Man I Love
DR11 -0.50 dB -13.45 dB 5:18 ?-06I Got Rhythm
Official DR value: DR12
Analyzed: Stockfisch Eugene Ruffalo In A Different Light
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR9 -0.50 dB -11.09 dB 3:33 ?-01Love Can Be That Way
DR8 -0.50 dB -11.11 dB 3:23 ?-02Fool For Every Season
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.16 dB 3:38 ?-03 Irreplaceable
DR11 -2.80 dB -17.95 dB 1:42 ?-04Elmo´s Song
DR9 -0.70 dB -11.53 dB 2:48 ?-05Run To You
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.87 dB 3:37 ?-06The Right Thing
DR9 -0.50 dB -10.89 dB 2:59 ?-07 Poor Lonesome Me
DR10 -0.50 dB -12.95 dB 4:27 ?-08One More Mystery
DR7 -1.50 dB -10.81 dB 4:08 ?-09The Hills Of Sicily
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.88 dB 3:44 ?-10The Same Kind Words
DR9 -0.70 dB -11.82 dB 4:15 ?-11For A Look At You
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.65 dB 4:28 ?-12 No Common Future
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.39 dB 3:50 ?-13When We Were Kings
DR8 -0.70 dB -10.62 dB 3:46 ?-14 Beyond Love
Official DR value: DR9
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Analyzed: Closer To The Music
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR10 -1.55 dB -13.08 dB 6:56 ?-01 Allan Taylor The Beat Hotel
DR9 -1.93 dB -12.51 dB 3:49 ?-02 Allan Taylor Wheel Of Fortune
DR8 -1.53 dB -12.04 dB 4:25 ?-03 Sara K. Turned My Upside Down
DR6 -2.88 dB -11.35 dB 3:34 ?-04 Sara K. The Painter
DR9 -1.56 dB -13.27 dB 3:39 ?-05 Sara K. & Chris Jones Stop Those Bells - Live
DR8 -1.31 dB -11.34 dB 3:56 ?-06 Chris Jones Set 'em Up, Joe
DR8 -1.02 dB -11.00 dB 3:46 ?-07 Chris Jones No Sanctuary Here
DR8 -1.42 dB -11.45 dB 4:21 ?-08 Mike Silver Not A Matter Of Pride
DR7 -1.26 dB -10.46 dB 4:51 ?-09 Mike Silver Angel In Deep Shadow
DR11 -1.12 dB -13.78 dB 3:46 ?-10 Steve Strauss Mr. Bones
DR9 -1.03 dB -12.20 dB 4:25 ?-11 Steve Strauss Argyle Bridge
DR9 -1.70 dB -12.78 dB 5:16 ?-12 David Munyon Words of Love
DR8 -1.28 dB -11.76 dB 4:40 ?-13 David Munyon Save The Whales In Placerville And Hickstone
DR9 -1.86 dB -12.85 dB 3:43 ?-14 Paul Stephenson Captain Of The Loving Kind
DR9 -1.65 dB -12.24 dB 5:01 ?-15 Paul Stephenson Moon In The Glass
DR10 -0.86 dB -13.22 dB 4:01 ?-16 David Roth Pearl Diver
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.48 dB 5:18 ?-Au Large Du Gueveur
DR9 -0.50 dB -12.15 dB 6:04 ?-Caruso
DR9 -1.20 dB -12.11 dB 4:38 ?-Four Wild Horses
DR7 -1.00 dB -9.28 dB 4:41 ?-Heaven
DR10 -0.56 dB -12.94 dB 4:48 ?-Just Like Love
DR9 -1.20 dB -11.31 dB 4:22 ?-Lookin' At The Train
DR7 -1.00 dB -9.97 dB 4:14 ?-Maybe It's Just Love
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.79 dB 5:33 ?-Old Crow
DR9 -0.60 dB -11.52 dB 3:28 ?-Paris
DR8 -1.00 dB -11.18 dB 5:37 ?-Set You Free
DR8 -1.00 dB -10.67 dB 3:15 ?-Songs For You Far Aaway
DR8 -1.50 dB -11.23 dB 4:12 ?-Stars
DR7 -1.00 dB -10.81 dB 4:27 ?-Streets of London
DR7 -1.00 dB -10.12 dB 3:48 ?-The Same Kind Words
DR8 -0.60 dB -10.97 dB 4:47 ?-When Time Turns Around
Official DR value: DR8
Stockfish Records - Art of Recording (2009)
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Analyzed: Allan Taylor-The Tennessee Waltz / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (1)
Bass Swing Trio& Barbara Bukle-Easy to love / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (2)
Blue chamber quartet-Children's song 12&16 / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (3)
Chris Jones-No sanctuary Here / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (4)
David Roth-Where have all the flowers gone / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (5)
Eugene Ruffolo-Beyond love / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (6)
Ewen Carruthers-The amber room / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (7)
Gergely Boganyi-Chopin-Nocturne ES-DUR OP9 Nr2 / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (8)
L Capart&D Balance-Au large du Gueveur / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (9)
Sara K-I can't stand the rain / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (10)
Steve Strauss-Closer / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (11)
The paperboys-Comfort and kind / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (12)
The spririt of Gambo-Tweede stuck voor de fiool de Gamba / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (13)
The Tiptons-Gypsy Wedding / Stockfish Records-Art of Recording (14)
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DR Peak RMS Duration Track
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DR8 -1.80 dB -12.64 dB 4:23 02-
DR9 -0.50 dB -12.19 dB 3:58 08-
DR7 -0.50 dB -10.79 dB 3:42 13-
DR8 -0.51 dB -9.92 dB 3:45 09-
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.94 dB 5:17 01-
DR8 -0.50 dB -10.09 dB 3:45 10-
DR8 -1.20 dB -10.62 dB 5:00 11-
DR12 -0.50 dB -17.71 dB 4:47 14-
DR8 -1.70 dB -11.81 dB 5:16 06-
DR9 -0.50 dB -11.47 dB 3:35 03-
DR10 -0.50 dB -12.04 dB 4:12 04-
DR8 -0.50 dB -11.78 dB 3:20 07-
DR8 -1.70 dB -11.95 dB 2:51 12-
DR10 -0.50 dB -11.49 dB 2:50 05-
Official DR value: DR9